I was Laid off from my first SOC job!

[00:00:00] What's going on, everybody. Welcome back to the techtual talk podcast where I'm your host HD. This is episode, I believe 53 or 54. I can't remember. It'll be right in the title, but, um, appreciate yall for tuning in with me today. Today's episode's gonna be about with the state of how everything's going on in the economy right now, especially like all these layoffs happening.

[00:00:24] I figured this episode would be a good episode to revisit about how I felt when I got laid off the time it took for me to get a new job also finishing grad school while being laid off and the new job . But, uh, yeah, man, I appreciate that. So, um, this is the TechTual talk podcast where I am your host HD. I am a 10 years cyber security professional with the last six years of my professional career being in cyber security.

[00:00:54] Uh, the other four being. Regular like it jobs like service desk and, and the not, [00:01:00] I'm also a career coach and all my services are currently 40% off right now. I'll have a link in my description, but in order to get that 40% off, all you have to do is use the code, get hired at checkout. Uh, this sale will not last long.

[00:01:13] It's going to end at the end of the week. On the last episode you guys heard me really talking about kinda like my experience with undergrad. Grad school and which one I prefer. So now let's kind of move past that now in a couple episodes before I was telling you about how I went from the knock in the sock and how I was working at maxi at the time I did that job for almost a year.

[00:01:38] And I briefly talk about a little bit about like some McAfee stuff that. The real reason why that sock was created is because they were splitting from Intel and Intel used to handle all the security things and they pretty much wanted to make their own internal socks. So they started hiring us for that.[00:02:00] 

[00:02:00] The biggest issue they made was they didn't hire people who had ran socks before. And so we didn't really have a lot of direction. The biggest thing I learned from that role is pretty much what not to do. And I I've talked on this in like, you know, plenty interviews, kind of like my experience. I feel like that role gave me three years of experience and it was able to help me whenever I landed my next role.

[00:02:22] Uh, but real brief story was, uh, when I was doing this job, this is when we got hit by wanna cry. If anybody's familiar with wanna cry, wanna cry was probably like up until probably this past year. When you had, um, loud for J. I would say that one cry might have been like, you know, the worst thing ever to hit the industry.

[00:02:46] I remember, I think either I was off or what, I think I was off the weekend to hit. And so a couple of my coworkers were on shift and they had been up forever. And then when it signed for me to come on shift, I saw we were still dealing with one cry. [00:03:00] And man, listen, I saw so many IP addresses to, I was just like, I don't wanna see another number.

[00:03:08] Uh, when I got off, I closed my laptop and I did not open it up until after my four days when I had to go back to work, cuz that's how sick I was of seeing IPS, that, that thing ran through that their environment. Crazy. And I wanna say one of the biggest fixes that they had to, well, any organization had to do was, uh, disabling port 4, 4, 5.

[00:03:32] For SMB. I believe I could be wrong. I might try to put what you need to do like right here so people could see it. That probably like the main thing I dealt with at that job was, was wanna cry because our tools weren't really tuned. There wasn't directions. They didn't have a lot of meetings with these other different, uh, lines of business within the company on one type of log they wanted to ingest and two, [00:04:00] our SIM for us to monitor things.

[00:04:02] So it really was just connected and showing us a lot of junk. But I don't know, I didn't know. I didn't know back then, what I know now , that's, that's a little better. So, um, so like I said, I started that job in March of 2017. It was a period of, and oh, also y'all so check this out. Uh, I met a lot of cool people doing that job.

[00:04:24] Uh, I met my guy, uh, pat borough, shout out to pat. We started around the same time and then I. You know, the infamous Teon tech, uh, working at McAfee, he had interned at McAfee and like, we've been know each other well now was so five years. So just wanna throw that out there. Like, I, I do know some, some people out here, especially in Dallas, but anyways, uh, so I did that in March, 2017 and then it comes, it might be.

[00:04:54] Um, October or something like that, because, uh, we started, we had to work in [00:05:00] another part of the building because they were redoing our sock and I'm not gonna lie. They really did like make a fire a sock. However, uh, it was a couple hiring things that they did that didn't make sense. Um, funny story. funny Sunday, funny story.

[00:05:16] Before I get into how I knew to kind of just keep my hair on the SW. The original manager who I initially worked for, uh, ended up getting, let go. And, um, it was funny because they told us that. He went over to India and his account got compromised. Like it was the dumbest thing ever. I wish I still had my phone.

[00:05:44] So I could like show that proof to show you what line, but we get to work on Monday. And it was like, yeah, no, he's, he's been like terminated and all this other stuff. But I, I just thought that was so funny because, uh, one of my coworkers had hit me up. [00:06:00] He was worried about, you know, everybody's worried about our job too, cuz.

[00:06:03] Something happened to him. We kind of like, Hmm, man. Something not adding up, but we kept our jobs. They bought in another guy who pretty much was over sales, came from a sales background and he wrote some stuff like probably professional services. But when it came to running the sock, he never ran a sock.

[00:06:22] He was cool, dude, but he never ran the sock. That's why I, we still didn't have a direction. It was like a dog chasing his tail. That's that's pretty much what we was like. So we go past that. They bring in this guy from the bureau. That's what I'm gonna say. He came from the bureau to be the director of the so, and that person didn't know what they were doing because they had never dealt with a sock before.

[00:06:47] So if you get a trend in here, it's just a domino effect of bringing in people that didn't know what they was doing. Therefore kind of made these things, you know, insufferable sometimes, cuz not knowing what to. Um, you know, they have [00:07:00] different meetings of things going on and random meetings. I've always been a vocal person because at the end of the day, I wanna know what I'm doing.

[00:07:08] I've never been a person just being comfortable, just going to work, not doing nothing and getting paid. That's just, that's not my Mo so we have meetings with other team members and, uh, they weren't quite as vocal as me, cuz they're a little older, you know how his ageism and I asked him straight up at the meeting, Hey man, do you know what to do?

[00:07:25] He was like, nah, not really. And I was like, you know, that's a problem. Like I said about October-ish somebody came in there and they were telling us, oh, learn Python to go home. Like, did I have Google keep or something at the time? Let me see something. Once I found it. Let me see if I can show when this was from.

[00:07:48] Let's see, November 8th. Um,

[00:07:55] Man. Ain't got no, let's see collaborators. [00:08:00] Well look, no lie, man. I, I just pride myself. Gonna be, uh, transparent. Let me see if I can show you what to say.

[00:08:10] Y'all probably can't see that I'm gonna read it for you. It says November 7th told the program or kick rocks. Now and I'm, this is, let me clip this. And this is a problem that I've been seeing with a lot of security jobs. Even now, programming is not gonna be the end all be all of your security, especially your, your sec ops team.

[00:08:33] At this particular time, they had bigger fish to fry than worrying about people using Python. Like if you got ambulances that don't know how to triage, correct. Don't know how to use your SIM correctly. Don't know how to use your different platforms and tools. Don't know what to look for. That's a bigger issue.

[00:08:54] Me learning Python. Isn't gonna help me with any of that. And then also fast forward to [00:09:00] 2022, you got all these companies wanting people to know, um, Python, so they can help with scripting and soar and all this other stuff, but you don't end up using it that much. So a lot of these companies are looking for.

[00:09:14] Software engineers disguise as security analysts. And that's why they're missing out on a lot of these different roles. Like most of the roles for like, uh, detections now, or even security engineers. It's like, uh, them looking for these people that know how to do all this stuff. When truth be told you don't, if you understand the concepts of what you're doing, you can learn the other part, cuz you're not gonna use it all the time, maybe in the future when it gets more and more scripting and engineering based because, uh, a lot of these tools.

[00:09:44] Are replacing analyst work because they are getting smarter with machine learning and AI. But needless to say, I showed you what that said. So I knew the writing was kind of like already on the wall. You probably eventually, but I didn't know when, [00:10:00] uh, so we got in the new sock around late December. I think we'll say like December, January.

[00:10:08] So now. I remember this as clear as day I get to work. Matter of fact, I get to work a little late and I see one of my coworkers. He's walking out with a box and if you see anybody at work, walking out with a box in their hand, that ain't good. That's, you know, just like you, you walk up to your crib or you walk to your crib and you see somebody walking out with a box, but they have a look on their face.

[00:10:37] And I remember this vividly, uh, text was like, good. That's what he said. And so I sit down, my, my part is kind of already pumping a little bit, cuz it's just weird to me because up until this time I'm thinking so I, I made, I made something, not nothing. There, there was no guidance, but you know, with my, my guy run there pretty [00:11:00] much guided me on like what I needed to do as far as, Hey.

[00:11:04] Learn this, ask these questions, work on these. So I worked on tuning. I had like an Excel sheet with like all these old CVEs that were just firing in there and like other crap I was firing. I was like, man, this stuff fire too much. Why are we, why are we even seeing this? Like, this stuff doesn't even affect our systems.

[00:11:19] So I'm thinking of doing good business and low and behold, you know, they, they come in there and they find me, uh, the director and the HR person. They, we go in this room and we talk and I'm looking at. And it's a, you know, service package. Now, what I didn't know then is I could have probably negotiated some more for that, that package was, um, I think that offered me like a month and a half salary.

[00:11:45] And I think most of my, either annual quarterly bonus, like paid out a hundred percent, knowing what I know now, I would've like, I would've told him I need three to six months, at least [00:12:00] because. It ain't easy, you know, finding a new job. Right. So I get that and I didn't, you, you would think I'd be mad. I kind of was like indifferent towards it.

[00:12:14] And, uh, I called my boy, Chris, and I think, uh, I think also, I can't remember if I was talking or text my friend Chelsea that day I went to work. I can't remember. And I think I had told her. But I hit up Chris, like, yeah, shoot. I just got laid off. And, and, um, and I wanna say around, I think Chris ended up getting laid off, like, or let go from his contract around the same time.

[00:12:40] I can't remember. However, I think that particular day we went to Papa do and sat at the bar and had some drinks of ACE of food or whatever, cuz you need, you know, people like that, you know, when you're going through a situation like, Hey, this is. You know how you know, Diddy on the beginning of day, you don't got a call video.

[00:12:59] He was like, Hey, [00:13:00] Playboy, I been there before we going out tonight. One, you need that but, uh, anyway, so let let's really talk about, let me clip this, this it's the important part. This is the layoff. So I'll at first in the beginning, I wasn't too worried about the layoff cuz I said, okay, cool. I'm getting this severance.

[00:13:20] I'm getting the bonus. And I was gonna get a refund cuz I was in grad school. So I was. I should be good. I should be good to go. So I still was going about life as like, I didn't get fired. Um, paying bills, still kinda doing Sunday fun. You know, typical thing to do when you are, uh, at this time, what was I did I just make 25?

[00:13:44] Yeah, I won 26 yet, so I was 25. So, um,

[00:13:52] but as time started progressing. That's when I realized like, um, yeah, [00:14:00] some, you know, something gotta give, like I have a video and I'm probably trying to link it right here where it says a hundred jobs told me no. And in that video, I didn't really go in deaf on some of the things I kind of have made like three videos kind of talking about this.

[00:14:16] And so this is giving my podcast listeners just a little bit of insight about. Me being laid off. So at first it went good. Um, McAfee set us up with this, uh, career type of, uh, work center where they do your resume and they give you tips on like interviews and how to land jobs. But here's the problem with that is that these people are generalists and they aren't people that specify what you need.

[00:14:43] So had I had a person like myself, Dealing with a, a friend, like let's say I got, um, contracted out by a company to help somebody and get another cyber security job. My advice to them is not generic. [00:15:00] My advice is saying, Hey, okay, what role are you trying to land? Do you have those skills? You need to work on those skills.

[00:15:07] That's the biggest thing. Like I never got that from them. I mean, it was more interview stuff, but that doesn't help that much. Like when it comes to just knowing. So I went on like plenty of different interviews. I've had like, no, like, let, let me tell you, like, let me tell you why people are frustrated and why my clients, you know, really get, feel me.

[00:15:32] So my job search frustration at the time was I was going through a lot of stuff I'm talking about on paper. Had the skills, had the education, you name it in school, get my masters. And I've had companies at the time. Tell me, Hey. You were the most qualified, but we gonna pass. And I'm like, what type of sense does that make you the most qualified, but you gonna pass made?

[00:15:54] Absolutely no sense to me. Um, so this is some of the things that maybe, you know, people [00:16:00] dealing with, or you bring me to the end of the interview, all the rounds, and then you say, oh, we want somebody more experience. You knew what type of experience I had when you interviewed me. Why you just wanna say, Hey, we going pass.

[00:16:11] Don't gimme that. Experience BS, because truth be told you going to train me on what to do anyway. Uh, what was it? And I'm not gonna lie. Like, this is me kind of doing my, um, honest truth. And actually I just released the article that I did about diversity and cyber security during these times. And one of the reasons why now, and I, as I fast forward is I'm rethinking this.

[00:16:34] I'm talking it all the way through to you guys. When I was interviewing with people, I rarely saw people that looked like me and that was troubling to me. And, um, This isn't me playing the race card. Right. I don't want nobody to think that, but you probably could never empathize with how I feel or others feel if you've never been this predicament of not seeing people that look like you at the table.

[00:16:57] And sometimes it makes it feel like I, I probably not [00:17:00] gonna get the job anyway. And I want y'all to realize that, you know, this was, um, what, four years ago? Yeah. Four years ago. So. Going through that a lot. It was, it was, um, it was troubling. Uh, I, I didn't really feel like I had any silences. I'm talking about it at this time.

[00:17:18] Like, and this ain't no pandemic stuff. Y'all so I'm doing interviews, I'm waking up. I'm putting my suit on. I'm getting a cut. Mind you. I ain't got no job at this time. So the money is limited. It's only a finite amount right now. and oh, here's a tip too. Uh, if you need it and you didn't plan, like nobody plans to be laid off, right.

[00:17:37] Everybody always wanna say, oh, oh, there's emergency savings and stuff like that. Well, like most black people, and this will be a video of his own one day about being like the first black person in your family to make it a lot of times, you never got a chance to really set yourself up for success when it comes to saving money and planning the right way, because you've been helping everybody else out.

[00:17:57] You you, the person with the money you made [00:18:00] it. So I, I didn't have that. I didn't plan for that. And I didn't know that at the same time, I probably could have been getting unemployment. Granted the sucky thing about unemployment is if you got a high paying job, it's going to tap out at somewhere. So you're not even, it's not even enough to meet your needs.

[00:18:17] So I definitely understood what the people in the pandemic were going through. Like, some people took a massive haircut and even that little extra money, they added wasn't enough to help them and their family. So like I said, I, I got my suit on, I, I probably got snaps and pictures from like me, like I was rotating ties.

[00:18:32] Um, you know, in the maximum thinking I'm feeling good about myself thinking I'm doing good and all these different jobs, man. And like this one, this one interviewing process, like really turned my heart code. When it comes to interviewing or really ever like, caring about like how this stuff go and it, and it made me really not do follow up emails.

[00:18:54] Uh, truthfully truth be told. I felt like every job I sent a follow up email for, I didn't get it. [00:19:00] I was in this interview process for a sock lead at, um, Texas instruments. Now, granted Texas instruments. Isn't the person. Well, the company that's hiring me, they outsourced the company called talent, one on one to hire for their security stuff.

[00:19:17] Now, these people, everything sounds good. They bring me in, we have a couple of good talks and now they're like, oh yeah. Um, we just need you to come in and meet the, you know, meet the team, see if you're a good fit or whatever.

[00:19:33] I don't even think that ever that time ever came. So mind you, I had one interview where they pretty much said they was gonna hire me and then I never got a chance to meet the team and I'm sending follow up at the follow up cuz now, so timetable is, um, I got let go in January, but I got paid once more and they wrote it as if I got fired, like, uh, well laid off in February.

[00:19:56] So it was already late March at the time [00:20:00] it was going into my birthday. So I had. Turning 26, went out with some friends and thinking, oh, you know, cool shoot, April. I should be back working. That didn't happen. Uh, they pretty much ghost me. Uh, you know, I, I have video, I did that video too, about how they ghost me and how that made me feel.

[00:20:15] And I was like really mad because things was, things was going bad at the time now, like, cuz now this is a time where I think the in April was kind of like where I really started seeing like dang, like money is really getting funny. and, and that's, and I think that's when, you know, to be true, be told, uh, depression probably kicked in.

[00:20:36] Right. And I didn't know that I was dealing with like a slight bit of depression until after this whole situation, um, transpired. So even a strong, you know, need somebody to look at them, you know, when they going through and. What I did to try to main, you know, remain sane because once [00:21:00] after that BS happened, my day went like this, wake up at eight in the morning, apply these jobs early in the morning, use LinkedIn to reach out to recruiters and try to get, uh, interviews and hopeful help like somebody to call me.

[00:21:15] Right. So that's what my day was. And if I was successful, once it hit like, uh, end of business day, I was like, okay, cool. As time to go sleep so I can wake up for the next day, helping something good happen all between this. The way I tried to remain sane was, uh, after I would apply and do everything, uh, I had a membership at fitness connection, cuz at the time I stand like in Dallas slash Carrollton, I go out and I would tell you if you're laid off right now, I don't know what your situation is, but if you have, uh, a generalship, if you don't.

[00:21:49] In the morning, do something productive. Whether you go walk a out, go run a out, whatever you go do, go work out. It's going to help you feel better. Cuz you accomplished something, [00:22:00] something like that. Also make up your bed, clean up your crib, like do small things that makes you let your brain know how you're being productive in you're accomplishing things and it can help you out a little bit.

[00:22:10] But I still was like just waiting for the next day. Like I did that for a while and you. It got bad. I think, you know, going into may, it's like, come on, bro. Like something gotta give. Right. But I made it through that and going into may is when, you know, everything started clicking for me. And I'll mark this too, is like you going through that storm, but.

[00:22:42] Whatever's for you and how it's supposed to work for you. It's gonna eventually work for you when, when you get there. And then it's just gonna like, you know, start raining. everything is like, you know, overflow. And so I can't remember when it [00:23:00] was in February. Let me see, like, I'm a king of receipts, man. I like the I'm gonna open book.

[00:23:03] Right? Let me, let me see if I can find this in my old email. Um, I interview or I appli somewhere the Attos and, um, Ironically, they were using the SIM that I used at McAfee. And so they liked me. Let me see if I could find this. This was May 21st, right? I can't remember if, uh, I, I got the, I think the first or second offer, it might have been.

[00:23:28] I'm trying to see if Attos or Optiv was first. Let me see something. Okay. So it's all around the same time at toast was first on, I think the 21st and then opt. Came that I talked to opt around the same time and offer Optum came back with that offer after that, and, um, talked to Eric at the time who was the director of opt.

[00:23:52] And, um, he was like, Hey, which was getting paid at MC fee, told him, he said, all right, how about 10 grand more base? And [00:24:00] you know, uh, 10% bonus. I was like that done deal. And, um, I'm looking. Let me see, look at this. No, no cap. What'd that say?

[00:24:16] Y'all see it. so, um, yeah, man. So it took a while it took me about what four or five months, I think to really land back on my feet. I started that job in June of 2018. Yeah, June 1st, 2018. That's when I started that role. And, um, I think this journey, if I, when I reflect. it was useful. It provided a lot of value for me because I appreciated after that, everything I got, I knew, Hey, you know, tomorrow's not promised your job's not promised.

[00:24:48] And it made me a cold-blooded killer. When it came to companies, it made me, you know, disassociate myself with that attachment. Like, you know, I would do it be the best employee. Uh, you know, you can ask for [00:25:00] when I'm there, but at the same time it said. Always look out for you. Like I said, in a couple of other episodes, like I got from Jermaine, Jupiter, like, you know, you playing for the team, but you loyal to the last name on the back of the Jersey.

[00:25:14] That, that that's a live enactment of me showing that like going through a layoff to show you that, like, I don't care, like company, what, like you a requisition number to them, you a HR number. Most of the time, if you die within two weeks, your job will be posted and somebody else will be in your. I always remember that always look out for you and your family first.

[00:25:35] So I don't care if you've been there six months. If it's something that give you similar, um, work life balance with more money, take it. Don't leave money on the table. That's a good org. Take it. So I did that job and, um, I'm gonna talk briefly about kind of like the first little stint at Optum, and then I'll, you know, get into something else.

[00:25:59] But [00:26:00] anyways, we all started. And that same thing Optiv was building out a, uh, big team for one of a big client that just signed. Now. I wish so bad. I can tell y'all that. Matter of fact, if you watch this on a Patreon, I'll probably tell you who that is. So Patreon members can know who this is. If you wanna know, join a, the link is in a description before, like we could officially start for them, like, uh, the clients.

[00:26:27] Team. Um, I will say like their team was called like the fire team. Um, they put us through these series of challenges. So we really had to come up with playbooks for like 10 scenarios and what we would do in them. So this was pretty cool. Like it was like a group assignment where it was like, this was real life, but I know how to do something like this now, too.

[00:26:52] That's why experience is the best teacher. If you get somebody to ask you. You need to say, okay, is this based on hypotheticals or what's [00:27:00] in your environment? And then you say, what logs do we have access to? Cause what we end up doing was doing too much detailed stuff that wouldn't be necessary in their environment.

[00:27:11] and had us like, just trying to make sure we was good or whatever, but we passed out with flying colors. But I think that event brought us together as a team because you. Legend has it that we, the best team that they ever had. And most of us aren't even with the company anymore, just about everybody from that team is either gone or they're on a different contract.

[00:27:39] And that takes time and bringing the right type of personalities together. And that's what a sock, uh, is too. Like as much as it's technical, you gotta have the right people. And that's what took people all the time. When we talk, Hey, you're a person. Who you are as a person matters to that team, to that hiring manager, nobody wants [00:28:00] somebody who's being real smug.

[00:28:02] I think they know everything when it comes to being on the team, but that was June. We started look, I'm, I'm going to say like, uh, after this that's when we had started like studying a little bit more, we went through some training. At the same time their current provider was still providing for them, but the provider didn't want to give us access to the tools cuz you know, why would you we're taking your jobs?

[00:28:30] They waited till like two days or three days before the cut over to give us access. Um, I remember like yesterday, July 1st, 2018 to bam the switch flipped on to us. I was working that night and a couple other people. So I volunteered, I think I worked. I probably worked like 50, some 50 or 60 hours that week, because we just had to make sure we had smooth sailing.

[00:28:54] Cuz we still didn't. Everybody still wasn't hired. I think we had like two, I think like two more [00:29:00] people to come on and my manager wasn't even hired at the time yet. Um, but that was cool. Like I've been through those things and I can always lean on those experiences. When I talk to companies, when it comes to like sock jobs.

[00:29:13] Sometimes people want to get in there and they wanna quiz you on all these different ports and what is this and that that's, that's fine. You should know those things. If not, you can, you can look 'em up, but you cannot be a seasoned vet when it comes to what you need to do at that job. But honestly, like, just to, to, to talk on it is like, you know, to wrap everything up is like, And I kind of missed one part.

[00:29:40] I didn't talk about grad school and I forgot about it. I kind of got like a little, you know, involved in really the laid off part, but just circling back what I, what I loved about sock work and what I love about like cyber security jobs, most of the time is they're super flexible. So what I did was [00:30:00] once I started working again, I did night.

[00:30:04] Most of my, uh, based on my shift, I think I had one day to where, uh, I wasn't working and I went to, uh, class and then one of the other days I was, but all I had to do was leave class and come to work. Being able to work at night, afforded me the luxury to study or do certifications at night cuz it was slower.

[00:30:27] So it worked on my work. So it really benefited me, but I was only on nights. Pretty much, um, that fir those first couple of months after that, around the time I graduated December of 2018, they was like, nah, we need you on days, big dog. And I never work nights again. now I like nights because it's peaceful.

[00:30:45] Um, you ain't got no traffic going to work. It's just you and probably other couple people at night. It's cool. So, but all in all, even doing grad school while laid off was still beneficial. Uh, [00:31:00] I was just able to focus on the work and going to school those two days a week gave me something to look forward to.

[00:31:08] And, um, I was also meeting people there that were in the field already working in. I was networking with them getting referred to jobs, seeing they could help me out too. So that goes to my last video is like, Hey, you need to be networking while you in school. But all in all, man, I, I, like I said, on one of the videos, I probably wouldn't do nothing, you know, over, I think the way I had to get it out the mud and go is what you getting now.

[00:31:33] I wouldn't have these stories to tell you about, I, I seen it all. no, no Jeezy or Jay-Z man. I, I just seen it all. Man. It's dope, man. I, I just appreciate y'all for rocking with me. Um, I got some big things and playing for this podcast. I also got some big things playing for like my set and my, my backup set.

[00:31:53] Like, so you guys can really, uh, rock with what's going on, like with all this background and stuff like that, [00:32:00] man. So, um, really appreciate y'all man, for real, for real, but. Like I said earlier on the video, if you need help with your resume or anything else related to your cyber security career, reach out to me.

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