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Gen Z's Interview Challenges and workplace struggles | 23andMe plays blame game

Gen Z's Interview Challenges and workplace struggles | 23andMe plays blame game
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Confront the modern challenges and hidden nuances of kickstarting your career with our latest Techtual Talk podcast episode. From the intricacies of interviewing to the ongoing debate about professional appearance, we've got your back on how to navigate the ever-shifting job market. As Gen Z steps into the workforce, we're scrutinizing the New York Post's perspective on their interview struggles and asking the hard-hitting question: is it the interview process or the candidates that need to re-evaluate their approach? 

This week's episode isn't just about acing interviews; it's a deep dive into the importance of data protection following the 23andMe breach and the broader implications for corporate responsibility. I'll be putting a spotlight on the critical need for charisma and enthusiasm that can make or break your next job opportunity. Join us as we pick apart what Goldman Sachs executives look for beyond the resume and why adaptability might be your most valuable asset. 

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Transcript
Speaker 1:

Welcome back to the textual talk podcast. Well, I'm your host, hd, the podcast where we talk about cybersecurity, tech, careers, business and much, much more. And today's episode we're going to talk about how 23 and me is trying to shift blame from them to the consumers on getting their accounts hacked. Why Gen Z is struggling in their interviews. What's one of the main things that execs look for a hiring from a Goldman Sachs exec? What it means to move up in corporate America. Do you have to cut your hair? Do you not have to cut your hair? And should you hire a resume writer? So sit back and relax and enjoy the episode.


Speaker 1:

Welcome back to the textual talk podcast, episode 113. I'm your humble and gracious host, hd. This is the first podcast episode of 2024. We're through the first week of 2024. So I just want to talk about some things, but, first and foremost, I think all the subscribers, all the listeners, everybody who's been supporting and engaged with the channel, keep it up. We're trying to take this channel up to the next level this year. So one of the things I actually do is going to hit that subscribe button, like shared out to people you think might find this information useful and also if you love our in-person episodes that we've been doing, please subscribe to the Patreon and donate some money to the cause. This is the way that we ensure that we keep on bringing you guys high quality content and high quality guests, and so that's one of the ways I'm going to do this.


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But today I just want to read different articles, different topics that came up over like the first week of 2024. And we can just discuss them. You guys can listen and also give me your feedback in the comments or leave in a review of what you think about what's happening today. So one of the first articles that I want to look into is it was talking about Gen Z has been having struggles with interviews and everything else. I think it's from New York Post. Gen Z grads are taking job interviews, struggling to find full-time positions. There's a study Let me zoom in on here real quick and put my blue lights on real quick. Recent college graduates are failing at job interviews. According to a new study, developmental setbacks from various factors have appeared to delay communication skills among Gen Z grads. So one of the things that people complain about with Gen Z is their lack of social skills, like they said, communication skills and it's just a new age and I think and what I would spend as a millennia we still have older mindset people that are doing these interviews and they don't know how to interview us like they should, and that's one of the things, so they can say that it's something wrong with the communication skills. But I really believe that things are changing in just the way that Gen Z, gen A and some of the younger millennials were raised and how we learned does not translate over to traditional interviewing styles. But I'm going to keep on reading the article.


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In a December 2023 study, the New Jersey based research group Intelligent surveyed 800 US managers, directors and executives who are involved in the hiring. The respondents reported that Gen Z candidates struggled to pick up professional cues, causing 39% of employees to favor hiring older candidates. About 60% of employees said they are willing to offer more benefits, to pay higher salaries to attract older workers rather than recent grads. So this is a trap. I would like to see how old these people are who are doing the interviews, because there are different things. I can do, things that boomers and Gen X won't pick up on, and so I can say I want young people. We see how biased that is what are they actually asking them? It boils down to can they perform the duties of the job? If they cannot do that, then sure don't hire them. But if they can do it, don't be biased just based on because they don't respond the way that you want them to. I think that's a big issue that I'm implying that's happening right here. That's not being said. For the same reason, 48% of employees are offering remote or hybrid positions to older employees and 46% are willing to hire older employees. 46% are willing to hire overqualified candidates.


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According to the new study, one in five employers reported that recent college grads are generally unprepared when it comes to interview for a job. Listen, hang on, I need to go big, real quick. Pause. You know why they not prepared? Because college don't prepare you to interview. College teach you a whole bunch of random things and unless you have, like clinicals or someone's was really showing you a certain skill set, they're not showing you how to interview. You got to learn your own. And this is why some people may say college is a scam, because the real power of college is building up a network of people that's going to be future Building up a building up a network of people that will be like future managers, supervisors, business leaders, owners, you name it. That's the real benefit and perk of college, but if we're being totally honest here, it's not showing you how to interview.


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I didn't have an interview class. We had a business communications class, and that class didn't really help me. My resume was not that good. It was pretty much a high level general resume. It, like everybody else, is a didn't cater to being in a technical role, and so that's one of the things.


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Of course I struggle interviewing too. I didn't know how. Nobody's teaching them how. That's why I exist. I show college kids, I show people early career professionals, mere career professionals. I show them how to interview. So I don't like that. I don't like that. That's why I had to go big and get this off right here. That's crazy. Of course they're not prepared and so that's an indictment on the actual school system and not Gen Z. So I just want them really to just like do I have a hat by me? I was going to put a hat on for the cat, but that's cat. I'm going to go back and share the thing now.


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One second, one and a half of the employer survey said Gen Z, ken the struggle the most with eye contact during interviews. Ok, what type of interviews are these? Are these virtual? Because if you're virtual, then a lot of people don't have a setup like me I have. When I interview, I use this camera that I'm talking to you guys on, so I know how to remain opposition because I'm looking at a screen that's showing me. I'm looking at you straight. If they have a different type of camera, they may not be doing eye contact because the camera might be different. So I feel like this bias.


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Candice and his age group also asked for unreasonable salaries and have dressed inappropriately for in person interviews. According to about half of the study responded OK. Now I will tell you guys, I'm with them on unreasonable, and that's because this is a social media age. A lot of these kids think they're worth more than they're actually worth. So that is the issue. But that's an issue created by social media. That's that is now. That's that's not our employees. A lot of these kids not worth what they think they are and they do not to be humble like, oh, you should just have this. But they need to get skills first and then require what they need. A lot of them ain't got no skills. Also, I will also agree on the dressing part. It's just a different time.


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But you got to look presentable, like people know how to look presentable. So they got to cut the bias with that. You got to look presentable in person. I'm sorry you can't. You can't go up there just wearing anything. You got to. It's this thing when you go outside and how you dress up your hair, everything, take pride in how you look. If you don't take pride in how you look, they're going to say, ok, are they really serious about the job? Do they want to work here? Why are they dressing? Why are they here like they don't care? I think about using so many people. If I'm going to go to the gas station, I'm going to have on some sweatpants, a T-shirt or something, because I'm going to the gas station. I ain't trying to work there. But back in the day, when I was in person, I was suited and booted Watches on, haircut, everything, and this is when I was unemployed. So I agree, I agree, y'all got to learn how to dress. And let's see what this is. Let's see what's on the rest of this interview.


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Even virtual, virtual interviews have posed issues, with 21 percent of employers reporting that some candidates refuse to turn on their cameras. Now you got to turn your camera on for an interview. I'm sorry you just do. I don't like being on camera either. I'm being virtual, but for interview they got to at least see who you are, because since 2020, other people have been interviewing for y'all and then they get the job and then some happens to. Somebody gets fired. Y'all got to turn your camera on it's policy at this point, so you're going to automatically extra stuff out of job. Just would be difficult.


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Nearly 20 percent of employers that they've even had a recent college grad bring a parent to interview. Answer resting Two and three employers reported that Gen Z employees are unable to manage their workloads, while about six percent said they are frequently late to work and often miss Assignment deadlines. 63 percent of employers consider Gen Z employees to be entitled, while 58 percent said they get offended too easy. In our overall unprepared for the workforce Employers are also noted that the youngest employees, like professor Lism, do not respond with a feedback and have poor communication skills. Almost half of employers in the survey said they fired a recent college graduate. Alright, let's get back big real quick, because I like this Now. This is a lot. Now I will say Gen Z is different.


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When I was Fresh out of college so I might have been 21, 22 at a time I was helping coach you football when all my cousins football teams, because these kids around the same age of my younger brothers, who are 19 or 18 now, and I did see that these kids are softer than Kids from my generation and that's because times were different. Also, I don't think they're actually getting offended easily. Culture people are used to talking to people or anybody they want to, and my generation on down, we not letting that slide. So you could think I'm getting offended but I'm like no, you're not gonna talk to me like that. That's not getting offended. That's telling you you're gonna respect me when it, when it passes, you're not respecting me. You talking me how you think you want to talk to me or all the little slick stuff they like to do in corporate. That's not being offended. So that is a little bit wishy-washy now when they say, oh, they can't manage certain things. Now I Think this is key.


Speaker 1:

All the stuff that they did throughout life is a little bit different. These kids were caught up to an extent because when they came up, everybody got participation, trophies and everything. So it's a little bit different. We had to earn everything one. No, here you go Just for applying. No winners and losers either you number one or you didn't win. So I will say that. So I'm with them on some of the stuff, but that comes with experience, like even with me.


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They said they lack professionalism. Work one of the best things that happened for me and hit it out, guys, because a lot of y'all are young and Y'all notice when the best things that happened for me was working at Target. From how was I? From 19 to 21, I worked at Target and this was in between either school or on breaks, but I learned a lot of stuff about communication, customer service skills, professionalism from working retail on how to treat people. This translated over to when I first got my help, this job and on.


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Now Some of these kids need to go get jobs but they do not have professionalism. They don't. I and I also know I've been seeing that they get upset that a lot of Gen Z talks with a lot of Abbreviations that people don't understand. People can say that it's a lack of professionalism. I think it's just getting with. The times is a little bit different. If that, if you don't like the acronyms, then you should tell them hey, try to spell this out for me, or do this or do that, so all the nominal just say like I get it, but there is, it's just, it's just too different. I. It's not going to change until people like my age and like we like run majority of everything that kind of helps Stuff. If not, they're gonna always run into these problems. Let's briefly look at the Reasons why they think they might be struggling and let's see if I was on the market any of them and they were gonna get on to some of the other articles.


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So in a separate August 2023 intelligence survey, 62% of respondents said culture is the primary reason that many recent colored grass are unprepared. After respondents blame parenting, 48% said the COVID pandemic is the corporate and 46% said educators are the root of problem. I. I agree. Covid was different. You put a lot of kids that had to do school virtually and Stuff has changed for them. Parenting is an issue too, because a lot of parents did not parent. They were busy working or whatever electronics. I will not blame educators, because educators got a hard job and they don't get paid enough for so I'm not blaming them. Who been resources expert?


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Natalie E Norfus, founder of the Norfus film in Miami, florida, who was not involved in the study, pointed finger at parents, the pandemic and shifting priorities of employees or employers. In this day and age, employers are far less willing to invest the effort and money it takes to train and experience workers because the demands on production are an all-time high and average workplace seniors are lower. She said in the email set the Fox News digital. We've heard several men say they don't want to waste time training someone who's just gonna leave. That's BS.


Speaker 1:

I'm gonna put this article in the description. I'm not gonna go through it anymore. It seems like it's a long article. I didn't know it's this long, but yeah, that's really how I feel about that. That's kind of crazy to me. Well, it's not crazy, but it's just different. You're, I see why they are struggling. I see why they're talking on tick. Talk about what they're dealing with is. You know, it's hard out here. It's hard out here. Um, one of the things I want to talk about, one of the bigger things. See, if I could just share, like this, one second.


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So, as you guys know, 23 and me had a breach last year. For those of you that don't know what 23 and me is, it's one of those ancestral DNA sites there where you can see what your DNA traces back to. I never trusted that them people can tell me I belong to anything. Honestly, I feel like I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but who knows what they really doing with that stuff? That's why I would never just trust it. But they say that the hack was on. I believe consumers we're gonna read the article real quick because this is this is crazy. If this is what they really gonna stand on, I think I'm staying on business like this. Let's go. I.


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23andme tells victims it's their fault that their data was breached. Wow, facing one of 30 lawsuits from victims of its massive data breach, 23andme is now deflecting the blame to the victims themselves in an attempt to absolve itself from any responsibility. Rather than the knowledge is rolling data security disaster, 23andme has apparently decided to leave its customers out to dry while dialing playing the seriousness of these events. Hassan Savari, one of the lawyers representing victims, who received a letter from 23andMe In December, 23andme admitted that hackers had stolen the genetic and ancestry data of 6.9 million users, nearly half of all its customers. That's crazy. They should be out of business at this point.


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The data breach started with hackers accessing only around 14,000 user accounts. The hackers broke into the first set of the victims by brute forcing accounts with passwords that were known to be associated with targeted customers, a technique known as credential stuffing. From these 14,000 initial victims, however, the hackers were able to then access the personal data of other 6.9 million victims because they had opted into 23andMe's DNA relatives feature. This optional feature allows customers to automatically share some of their data with people who are considered their relatives on their platform. In other words, by hacking to only 14,000 customer accounts, the hackers subsequently scraped personal data of another 6.9 million customers, whose accounts were not directly hacked, but in a letter sent to a group of hundreds of 23andMe users who are now suing the company, 23andme said users negatively recycled and failed to update their passwords.


Speaker 1:

Following the past security incidents which are unrelated to 23andMe, okay, let's stop sharing really quick. This is definitely how you try to shift the blame, and in no way is this on consumers. Sure, it is my fault as an end user if my password is something that's easily guessable, as you can find in a dictionary, or just do software that crack it Cool, but are there other parameters that you guys have set up in place for customers accounts? Does it have plenty of authentication? Does it automatically block risky sign ins? Does it automatically say hey, did you just log in from here? Was this you? Secondly, it's on you, on your fault. It's a control that you guys did not set up to let them access other people's information or scrape it by pretty much breaching 14,000 accounts. These are end user accounts.


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Now, what are you guys monitoring when you start seeing 14,000 accounts possibly be accessed from places you probably don't recognize what's going on? I know there has to be a division that is monitoring, like those end user accounts. It has to be. There's a department for that, because, initially, there is hackers going to your system, not internally, it's externally in a sense, because it's not the internal employees. However, these are customers. This is still on 23andMe, because you should have noticed the trend here before you want to say, oh well, it's your fault. No, they shouldn't have been able to access anybody's else's information. They should have only been able to access whatever account they were in. I'm going to go back to this article and we're going to keep on reading. So they say, therefore, the incident was not a result of 23andMe's last phase to maintain reasonable security measures.


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Zevoree said 23andMe is shamelessly blaming the victims of the data breach. This finger point is non-centical. 23andme no, this fingerprint is non-centical. 23andme knew, or should have known, that many consumers use recycled passwords and thus that 23andMe should have implemented some of the many safeguards available to protect against credential stuffing, especially considering that 23andMe stores personal identifying information health information, genetic information on this platform, zevoree said in an email he's right, he's totally right. This should be one of the most secure places that you have to log into. For that very reason, the breach impacted millions of customers whose data was disposed through the DNA relatives feature on 23andMe's platform, not because they use recycled passwords. Of those million, only a few thousand accounts were compromised due to credential stuffing. 23andme attempt to shrink responsibility by blaming its customers. There's nothing for these millions of customers whose data was compromised through no fault of their own whatsoever, said Zevoree In response to 23andMe letter.


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Dutday termals, a 23andMe customer who was impacted by the data breach, told TechCrunch that he found it appalling that 23andMe is attempted to hide from consequences instead of helping its customers. 23andme lawyer argued that the stolen data cannot be used to inflict monetary damage against the victims. The information that was potentially accessed cannot be used for any harm. As explained to October 6, 2023 blog post, the profile information that have been accessed related to the DNA relatives feature, which the customer creates and chooses to share with other users on 23andMe's platform. Such information will only be available to plaintiffs affirmatively elected to share this information with other users via the DNA relatives feature. Additionally, the information that an authorized act of potential obtained about plaintiffs could not have been used to cause what's that word but cushionary harm. It did not include their social security number, driver's license number or any payment of financial information. He later read 23andMe and one of his lawyers did not respond to tech crunch were expressed for comment.


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After the breach, 23andme reset all customer passwords and required all customers use multi-factor authentication. That should have been a control from the jump. Like I already stated, in attempt to preempt the inevitable class action lawsuit to mass arbitration claims, 23andme changed its term service to make it more difficult for victims to band together when filing a legal claim against the company. Lawyers experienced represented data breach victims told tech crunches that the changes were cynical and self-serving and a desperate attempt to protect itself and deferred customers from going after the company. Clearly, the changes won't stop.


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Okay, here we go. What happened? Let's see something? Where's the access? Again, real quick, let me see exactly what they stole. So they got displayed names, relationship labels, birth years, self-reported location and whether the user decided to share the information. Okay, so I'm gonna tell you, regardless of they wanna claim that they didn't get any financial information, I can use that information to spearfish somebody and I can act like I know them or just start doing a lot of recon on them, figuring out what they into, what they like, and just start how they do fishing. Now just start a conversation and get you to click a link and that's how I can get you. So, directly, no, indirectly, yes, they can cause them some harm, so let me stop sharing for a second.


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But yeah, man, that is so wild. That is so wild that companies would try to do things like that in order to not have to pay. I get it, but text and responsibility now, and that's why I always tell y'all when it comes to breaches, you also gotta pay for the stuff that happened in the breach. But now to repair your reputation costs even more money, and what they are doing now is single-handedly destroying their reputation. Whoever is in charge there should have told them. This is not a good look to try to blame the people when you should have put in controls to protect their information for this very thing. So that's absurd.


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Let me see what else is on the docket today. Give me a second. All right, so we got one. It's like a law firm that handles breaches, what's hit. I wanna see what they say because it's crazy. Like you always hear companies, security companies sometimes they handle stuff, but then they get hit. It's like, nah, y'all supposed to be top of the top, but this is a law firm, and that's why I say cyber is needed everywhere. So think about it. Y'all think of cyber security just as one of the cups of things. But then you gotta start thinking of the sub industries. They need cyber security in legal. So this goes back to when people are going from different backgrounds and trying to go to different places, and I'm like yo if you've been working in legal, you wanna get cyber security. Look for cyber security jobs in legal. They need you. You understand legal systems and how it works on a day-to-day basis. You might get a better chance of getting a job in the legal industry versus trying to go to a different industry. But let's keep on reading.


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This Law firm that handles data breaches with hit by data breach, an international law firm that works with companies affected by security incidents that's experienced its own cyber attack that exposed a sense of health information of hundreds of thousands of data breach victims. San Francisco based, oric Harrington and Sutcliffe said last week the hacker stole the personal information and assisted of health data of more than 637,000 data breach victims from a file share on this network job during the intrusion in March 2023. Dang so, they said last week. That was the last week of December, last week, so pretty much for nine months the boys had was dealing with a big incident and nobody knew.


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Oric works with companies that are hit by security incidents, including data breaches, to handle regulatory requirements, such as obtaining victims information in order to notify the state authorities and individuals affected. In a series of data breach notification letters sent to affected individuals, oric said the hacker stole rames of data from its systems that pertain to security incidents at other companies during which Oric served as legal counsel. Oric said that the breach of systems involved its clients. That are included individuals who have visions plans with insurance giant iMed vision care and those who had dental plans for deaths of dental. Hey, I got deaths of dental. Hmm, we'll see. Healthcare insurance network giant that provides dental coverage to millions of Americans. Oric also said it notified health insurance company multi-plan behavioral health giant, beacon health options, known as Caroline, and the US Small Business Administration that their data was also compromised at Oric's data breach.


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Oric said the stolen data include consumer names, data berth, postal address, email addresses and government issue identification numbers such as social security numbers, passport and driver license numbers and tax identification numbers. The data also includes medical treatment and diagnosis information. That's a lot. The number individuals known to be affected by the data breach nearly has risen by threefold since Oric forced to close the incident. Oric said the most recent data breach noticed that it does not anticipate providing notifications on behalf of additional businesses, but did not say how it can to this conclusion. It's not clear how the hackers initially broken to Oric's network or whether the hackers demanded a financial ransom for the law firm. Oric would not answer tech crunch questions about the incident, or spokesperson. Or spokesperson Jolie Goldstein said in a statement we regret the inconvenience and distraction that this malicious incident caused. We made it our priority to resolve it as quickly as possible for our clients, the individuals whose data was impacted in our team. In December, oric told the San Francisco Federal Court that a recent agreement in principle to resolve four class action law scoops which accused Oric for failing to inform victims of the breach until a month after the incident.


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I agree, and that's the crazy thing. I need to look up and let's look up right now. I know if you, I believe if you're like a traded company, you gotta say something about a breach in a certain amount of time. I don't, if you're probably on, I don't think it's the same thing. Let me double check. So I typed this in and says all affected individuals, and immediate if applicable, must be notified without a reasonable delay, but within 60 days of discovery of the breach. If fewer than 500 individuals are affected, the FTC must be notified within 60 days after the end of the calendar year. Let's see if we got anything else. I'm not gonna do that by state, I just wanna see if it's something. I'm not gonna get into this, but this is actually something good to look up when you're thinking about if you're in GRC and you're doing all these controls and your plans. These are the things you probably gonna go through and figure out, okay, when we need to notify these people to breach and you're gonna work with legal and all these different things. I'm gonna keep a hold on these things. But it's cool to understand this from a different way cause, like I said, every thing has this place in cyber, so I just want you to know that. Now, like I said, I told you guys early about R. R is cool. I still use it right now and I think everybody's liked it. So if you definitely need help with your passwords and keeping yourself safe on the internet, please check it out. So I'm gonna share this tab real quick.


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Goldman Sachs is the number one trade bosses look for before hiring anyone. Let's see. The difference between getting a job offer and a rejection can often be bored down to one word enthusiasm. All of the things being equal, a candidate who walks into a job interview with a positive attitude and an eagerness to work will have an edge over one who comes off as bored or apathetic, says Chicano Bass and executive at Golden Sachs. Being energized and enthusiastic about a role is the top green flag hiring managers look for in a job interview, as Bass, who serves as Goldman Sachs head of talent strategy. I hate the term human capital. I do not like that term at all. This reminds me of slaves or something they need to change. That it makes a ton of difference. She explains anyone can do the research, but showing the genuine excitement about the role and bringing energy to the conversation is a lot more memorable than someone who sounds monotone or like they're reading off a script. I agree. I agree, when it comes to interviewing and this is something I talked about in my vlog video that I'll probably be releasing in the coming adventures Comes to interviewing.


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You have to have some type of personality, charisma, enthusiasm that makes people like you that they want to work with you, all the while also being able to do the stuff required to do in the role. So it seems kind of hard. How you all see me on here is the charisma that I bring in interviews. Let's see if we can do an example. I'll say think about when I was reading some of that stuff earlier. Actually, I try to just read something so I can show you a difference. So this is a way, like they say, like being what's called. If I said it makes a ton of difference. She explains, anyone can do the research. But showing genuine excitement about the role and bringing energy to the conversation is a lot more. You'd be like what? But if I say it makes a ton of difference. She explains, anyone could do the research.


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But showing genuine excitement about the role and bringing energy to the conversation is a lot more memorable than someone who sounds monotone or like they're reading off a script.


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That sounded totally different.


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I read the same thing. You got to be like that in the interview. So instead of saying, hey, how you doing, I'm so-and-so, blah, blah, blah, you know what I'm saying. Good morning, good morning, it's nice to meet you. My name is Henry Davis and I've been doing yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, and I do this, this, this, this, and I'd be good for the job because this and this is the value that I believe I could bring to company A. Right there, I'm energetic, right there, I'm energetic. I know what I'm talking about and they're going to be excited to listen to me. They're going to perk up a little bit Now whether I know how to do autotechnical stuff or not, but the fact that I came in like that and I'm looking at you like this, they're going to like that. So this is why it is a skill to interview, and they are definitely right when they're talking about showing energetic.


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And also just sometimes too is like depending on like they do actually this thing about when you interview or before you interview, you possibly have a disability or anything like that. So it's not a fun of people with disabilities, but depending on also how you talk. If you talk a little slower or something like that you're making, just they might not be feeling with it or feeling with it. And it's more important we're going to get back to the article but when you're also interviewing, we're listening, we're actively listening back and forth. So when they ask me something, a direct question, give them a direct answer and then towards the end is when you can kind of venture off and get in your bag or you can, if you already know how to solve the problem or something they gave you, you can flip it on them and tell them how you did it. So let's keep reading a little bit of this article.


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That being said, showing too much passion can be outputting to some employers bass ones you should seem enthusiastic but not so excited as you come across as a super fan of the organization to someone who might have unrelenting expectations for the world. That's a fact. It's the same thing that happens with dating. It's like a medium level, like you got to be cool but not over cool. It's like if you get the chick number I used to do this when I was younger and I had to learn and had no big brother I used to like certain people a lot and I would well. They used to think it was aggravated but I really liked them so I messaged them and stuff all the time. They don't. Nobody liked that. So I'm just saying it's the same thing when it comes to the job market. Now you get that number, you maybe don't. Maybe you take some one day and then you don't take some for three or whatever days or something like that. You kind of just make them mind wonder or whatever.


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But you got to bring the enthusiasm and the charisma here when you meet these people but also not come off as like I'm desperate, like when I listen to some of my clients interviews before I was like you pushing too hard, you're selling too hard, like you got to relax. I saying that. So I know the people that they're in the people that's interviewing them think that. So you have to know when you pushing too hard and kind of reel it back. I don't know about that, chief. So they are definitely right on this one. Let's see about this one.


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But showing enthusiasm isn't all about body language. You can see how energized on is about an opportunity based on how seamlessly they're able to weave in their knowledge of any major news, initiatives or changes at the organization or the broader industry. They're hoping to work in to the conversation Exactly when I said hey, know what you're talking about, answer direct questions but then start talking about different things later. This is why I read stuff like this to you. This is why we covered the breaches earlier.


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You got to know all these things and try to put them together, especially if you're in cyber, so you can, because they might actually how you keep it up. So, just being aware of some of the things, you have some answers, you have some good insight. You can even find us of about like. But for me, I try to research everybody I interview before I interview and just see what they like to do and what they work. One of the easiest thing is learn about the company values, learn about the company news. You can just throw it in there. Somebody say, yeah, I see, y'all did this, I have it on tape when I did this before. So just realize that.


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Going to extra matter, think not just about what you are going to say in a job interview, but how you're going to say it can help you stand out from other candidates as best. It's easy step to forget about when you're nervous for an interview or busy memorizing facts about the organization, but being prepared to have a thoughtful conversation when you get to the interview is the best way to show that this is an opportunity you take seriously and are excited about. I totally agree. This is a great article from her child and she assisted, so she's going to keep it real with you.


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I like the article a lot. I think it's going to be some great insight for people to understand, like how to approach interviewing. Got to show, like I said, be in form, be charismatic, but also be you. Don't try to do stuff that's not you, but also still be enthusiastic. But hey, but you know, this would not be a podcast without me reacting to some TikTok content, so let's get over to it. That's a black man. You have to cut your hair and move up in this world.


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A key point he's saying is that he called his great grandmother for advice and she was like cut your hair so you can get a job. So let the rest of what he's saying fly over your head. Fresh out of college, my brother had braids. He dominated this one interview. But at the very end this person was like are you willing to make changes to work for us? My brother said like what do you mean? They said cut your hair. My brother said no, he called me after and we talking about it and I was like oh, that's crazy. You're going to hear that a lot. My brother was like it is what it is. I'm a fine somewhere that wants to hire me for me.


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His very next interview like I think I'll say a week or two turnaround, honestly, because you know if you're looking for a job, you are pushing out applications. He walks in, the guy interviewing him black man, long locks down his back, and he got the job. I've had different roles myself and have looked like this in all of them corporate, specific fields. One thing older generation hates is that we don't have to conform, but they also were taught to. So I'm giving him some grace but do not work anywhere that you have to change yourself for them.


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So this is a good topic and may be a stream of his own one day when we talk about hair with black people or you want to say any type of ethnicity that has different type of style here, traditionally from white people. Now you guys see me beard fresh, fade. I've always been like this. Growing up, my dad pretty much always like cut his hair and get his beard and stuff lined up. So I think and I'm going to get somewhere with this but I think a lot of this grows up on what you look to, what you aspire to be differently, like the kids that the Gen Zers. Well, I can't say that, because even in my age you had the period where the cornrows, tall teas, iverson and all them people want to be like that. For me, I didn't necessarily really care for that. I think at one point in time I honestly too, I could never really grow my hair for a long time because I got tired of it. I didn't like maintaining it. So that's the thing as well. But if we want to get into a corporate America type of conversation, this is different. I have not seen a lot of people in higher levels of leadership, especially on top of the black people that had braids or locks. But it's a new age Now. I know people that are in corporate America, that are in certain levels, that have locks, that have braids. So I won't say you got to cut your hair to move up. Like the person in the video said, if the people want you to change yourself, for them that's not the place that you need to be, because first it's going to start with your hair. Then they're going to say change how you dress. Then they're going to start saying change how you talk and all these other stuff and then by the time you get out of the job, you're not going to be you anymore. There are some people I've seen on TikTok where they have this and I look y'all know me, I got to keep real. They got this. I like to make white people comfortable voice and that's how they talk. I was like I know they don't really talk like that and that may be a job that makes you do that. If you have to do A, b and C to get the job.


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If you are already a person that got this or that or whatever, it's cool how you look and I want to say that's what the crown neck is for how my hair looking, this style and everything else has no bearings on my ability to do the role. So keep that in mind. Don't let them make you feel like you got to cut your hair into belongs. Stand out is okay. Now what I will say about the locks and stuff like that y'all brothers got to keep them up, don't make them be looking dirty. And stuff like keep your hair up when they come to hair so you want to just rock or throw. Keep it lined up. Keep your beard like at least maintain it, at least look good in what you're going to do. Don't have it just looking. I just want to be like no, look like you took pride in the way you came, that you walked up, like we talked about earlier with Gen Z and the interviews. So that's what I would say. With that, I really never had no problem with that.


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And I think another one I want to talk about one day is names, black people and names on resumes. And why do some people want to change the name to a white sounding name on their resume to get a callback versus their name they were born with? I think that's a real big one that we ain't talked about that much and we're going to talk about it maybe on live stream one day when Destiny and some other people join me. But all in all, I would say you don't have to. I think back then you had to, but I think now it's a new age and there are not well, hopefully they're not saying anything about your hair, but you could.


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You can never prove that. That's not why you got hired, unless they told you that verbatim, like the God said that about his hair. But it is what it is, man, be you, take care of yourself, take pride in yourself, look good, smell good, feel good. That's all I believe in. But we got another one, and this one is more of a controversial take, but I agree with it. And you're like why would you agree with that? You do resumes. I'm going to show you. I may a tick talk about it, but I'm going to talk about it here.


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I just don't like them and I think that that should be okay, and it's not even that I don't like them. I just don't think that they actually provide what the fuck they say that they do. They do provide what they say they do. They don't provide what you need. That's the better state. I am talking about resume writer. A lot of people think you know what I just need resume writer, I just need to fix my resume. Everything's going to be solved if I fix my resume. Okay, let me. Let me explain something to you real quick. Thing one a resume writer's job is just that to write a resume, which means you could tell them I want you to write a resume for me to be a space engineer, and they will write one. Now, do you have the qualifications to be a space engineer? Have they had any communications with you about what type of job might be a good fit, why this job would be good or bad?


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Like listen right here. We don't want all this and I'm a espion more.


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We know, because their job is to write a resume. I know so many of you who are so frustrated because, like y'all, spent hundreds of dollars. I paid somebody to do my resume and the shit's still not working. I could make you a great resume to be a space engineer that will not then somehow make you qualify. So before you jump on the resume writing train I know it's the end of the year, everybody wants to get the resumes and stuff done until, like, start the new year off. Right, I want you to consider career strategy. That is what we do.


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This is a more holistic approach because oftentimes people skip the first couple of steps and they step straight to the fucking resume. What are you? What are you getting your resume done for? What are you optimizing it for? What are you setting it up for? What are you getting it rewritten for what fucking job? How'd you figure out that job? Do you have the skill set for the job, whether or not you have the skills? If you don't have the skill set, do you know how long it'll take you to get those skills? Do you know if that job is in like an upswing in the industry or if it's in a backswing? All of these questions you don't have to answer, because we answer them for you when you work with us. Resume writers are cool. I'm not mad at them. We technically write resume, but we're not resume writers. You, more often than not, need more, and that's why.


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So I 100% emphatically agree with what she said. And why is that? Because I'm the same way as a career coach. I don't do resumes just to do your resume. If that's the case, I can make way more money than I made career culture. If I just wanted to do your resume, you can ask people when they do consoles and we look at it. I'll say, ok, cool, I can work with this. You got a foundation, you got skills? Hey, let's get it done. If you don't got no skills and you're trying to give a resume done out of me, like some people have booked a resume from me and they had no skills and I'm just like it ain't much I can really do with this. You trying to get in a tech job but you ain't got no tech skills, I wish you would have booked this, because that's what it is.


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I see people all the time the contents on your resume is more important than the format. If you hadn't did anything, how are you going to train? How are you going to have a good job or trying to get land a better job without proving anything, proving any skills, proving any projects? Now, sure, if people can say, oh, you can embellish or allow the resume. I can allow everybody's resume and make them look good, but they can't talk to that in the interview. So that's a bad point. And she's right when it comes to the strategies. When we do our consults and preferably you guys do the hour sessions that's like really the best time to be on a 30 minutes, it's like, unless you just need a little bit of advice. If you need a whole lot of advice, do the hour session with me. But we start going through. Okay, you need these skills. Look at this job description. You should be doing this. You should be doing that.


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The strategy of actually trying to figure out what you need and how to land a job and building your network up, versus just getting your resume and telling you to apply. They can't do that because everybody doesn't have supreme skills. Everyone's strategy is off. People don't know what they need to learn. They're learning all these other stuff. I'm saying, hey, stop learning all this and focus on this. This is where you need to be. This is where you sound most comfortable at. You might be struggling over here. Career strategy that's what I bring as well, so I'm with her all the way, and if I had a million dollars for every time I read it a resume.


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Somebody said they either got a resume right or some freelance writer on Fiverr to do I'd be rich Because y'all are getting. I'm going to say, y'all are getting had. Some of you will get some good resumes, but they're not very good tech resumes versus having a functional tech resume. Some of you guys are getting these very fancily done resumes that's not helping you out. All these different text boxes and all these different layouts. Aesthetically it might look nice, but it doesn't work that well when it comes to applying the jobs. Recruiters don't care about that. Keep it simple, stupid. That's the kiss message. Keep it simple, stupid, you'll be okay. But, guys, this is the end of the episode. How did you guys enjoy this episode? I got some heat coming up for you guys in person. I'm lining the guests up, like I said earlier.


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